There were quite a few operators that had this kind of ticket they did not have the company pre-printed on them probably cheaper to purchase the blank rolls. But if you look just to the left of the word ‘Single’ at the very right of the ticket you will see the name of the operator in this case Provincial I am presuming that it is the Provincial with the full name of Gosport & Fareham Omnibus Co Ltd. (see comments below) The reason I say presuming is because according to my British Bus Fleets South Eastern book in the Provincial section it states that their ticket system was the T.I.M. system. If you know please leave a comment.
Provincial were an independent operator on the south coast with its depot at Hoeford which was nearer to Fareham than Gosport. It was the estates built in the area for the overflow from Portsmouth which necessitated the growth of Provincial.
I am a bit surprised, not having given this any thought before, to see that these tickets were printed by the Bell Punch Company – a Setright "rival" I would have thought ??
I guess that once the original Bell Punch system (i.e. pre-printed individually priced tickets) had become largely superseded by the convenience of Setright for longer journey operators, it was a case for the Bell Punch Co. of "If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em!"
07/08/11 – 15:34
I was born and grew up in Gosport, riding regularly on Provincial. I am not a ticket expert, but my memories of the tickets were definitely the TIM type, not as above.
That would have been in the 60′s (I was 8 in 1960… you can do the maths). Perhaps this one is from earlier or later? I recall from my mate’s house by Nobes Ave shops to the Ferry, a return was 1s 1d…. unlike today, £2.75 single from the Ferry to Rowner Road….!
09/08/11 – 09:53
You are correct about Provincial using TIM tickets I have a few I know they are Provincial but it does not say so on the ticket.
With regards the shot above if not the Gosport and Fareham Provincial then which Provincial is it?
10/08/11 – 06:50
There was a Provincial at Leicester.
10/08/11 – 08:46
David do you know if they used Setright tickets
10/08/11 – 14:22
I would refer you again to the Yorkshire Teabags website, which shows two variants of Provincial’s TIM tickets – one entitled "G & F O Co" the other "Provincial" but with "G&FOCo" in a separate box. The corresponding list of Setright Speed issues does not have any entry for either Provincial or Gosport & Fareham.
10/08/11 – 20:56
Provincial of Leicester were principally a coaching company but they did have a stage service from Leicester to Fleckney which they aquired in 1958 and ran until 1964 when it was sold on to Bass of Fleckney. They purchased a former Baxter of Airdrie Tiger Cub/Burlingham bus in 1958 and it was sold on with the service in 1964. It seems unlikely that a small independent with a one bus stage service would have used setright speed, especially between those years but you never know! Provincial sold out (12 coaches) to Barton two years later in 1966. Is there any more Provincials?
12/08/11 – 07:47
Well Chris, if they were buying just one machine (and this does appear to be No.1) it might not have been all that expensive – even with the bespoke "Provincial" title incorporated in the printing mechanism. And the use of off-the-shelf ticket rolls might well suggest a small operation that could not justify specially printed rolls. I guess it would probably be cheaper than having separate ranges of Bell Punch type tickets printed for each fare.
17/08/11 – 14:31
This Provincial was as David B suggests, Provincial Garage (Leicester) Ltd. The one machine "A" was sold with the stage service to Bass, and it was then fitted with a new typebar that read ‘John E Bass’.
Setrights began to "push" the Setright Speed to smaller operators in the 1960s when sales to the large operators had plateaued. This was difficult as they were relatively expensive but a specially engraved typebar title was a way of saving on pre-printed ticket rolls.
Other users of typebar-fitted Setrights were Purple Motors, General Omnibus of Chester-le-Street, Procters of Hanley, Hudsons of Horncastle and Brown MS of Forest Green.
Thanks for that I have re-titled this posting to Provincial Garage (Leicester).